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mrmango · Oct 22, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Good post, thanks for telling me that I won't get r9 sympathy. No sarcasm. Crap now you think it's sarcasm. Well thank you anyway.

elektra_lucia · Oct 22, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Well you will get it from sympathy maybe... Just say you're a girl who has a rough life or something.

Victories
And
Groups
In
Noobie
Areas

Play Hard, Go Female - Get Groups.

By the way, this post is entirely correct but if a moderator has a problem with it let me know, I'll happily edit =D.

God Apprentice · Oct 23, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Well you will get it from sympathy maybe... Just say you're a girl who has a rough life or something.

Victories
And
Groups
In
Noobie
Areas

Play Hard, Go Female - Get Groups.

By the way, this post is entirely correct but if a moderator has a problem with it let me know, I'll happily edit =D.

LoL Real life Panda.

Excellent points made Elektra. The sad truth to HA is a large majority are just "ZOMG MUST GET EMOTE!!!11!!!"

Sister Rosette · Oct 24, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

I'd note that some of us really are girls with actual problems, but there's no point in derailing a (mostly) good thread.

Don't get me wrong, the difference between a good PvE player, and a good PVP player is literally night and day. However, it would be nice to see some of the mutual elitism die down. Not all of us have high GWEN ranks, Chaos Gloves, or glasses. Likewise, not all of us are Messiahs of our respective faction, nor can we summon glowing golden animals on command. This group of people is the arguable majority of GW, the middle ground. Players that in the eyes of the 'elite' are not bad, but not good.

It's a tired statement, but some of us just have more time than others when it comes to gaming. Naturally, someone still in school would have more time to get more fame/faction than someone who lives on their own or has a full time job. Again, not the point of the argument, just a supplemental titbit. However, it does seem like there is too much emphasis on having a certain rank in these missions. The knee-jerk reaction could be to say something like: 'you just think that way because you don't have one,' or something of the like. And that may be partially true. However, given the choice between PVP and PvE, I'd go with E anyday. It sounds like a bleeding heart talking, but there's just too. Damn. Much. Hatred. In PVP. Honestly. Going into an Alliance battle and NOT hearing 'omfg prepr 2 die luz u sux fool' is rarer than a Req 9 Gold Crystaline Sword.

I don't profess to be a PVP sage of any measure. I do my best in matches, and that's all I can do. I learn a little bit as I go, and gradually I'll probably get better. PVE? I'm a world of knowledge, especially regarding Monks and Dervishes. I'm not humble in PvE, because like those rank 9er's in HA, I know my stuff. Just in a different field. I'm not saying we're all salvageable PVP converts, I'm just saying show us a little patience. After all, we are all playing in the same sandbox.

elektra_lucia · Oct 24, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

The law of averages would suggest some have real problems. That is why every female that comes up to me and suggests they have been raped, beaten up, bullied or what not (after chatting a bit) I do take some what seriously just in case it is true. I would want to help, but it's ironic they rely on the fact no one will do anything. Personally I'm warm hearted to those I care for but I would literally kill someone and not lose one night of sleep over it for those I do not care for. With that in mind, and given that my personality online is pretty much the same as real life: I would happily meet anyone from the internet and help them, if they have someone that hits them, I would defend them. Sadly when I've brought up subjects like this in the past it can be deemed as emo, or I seem emo (I'm really not).

Now, having the attitude I have it's easy to spot the liars. I'm not going to name people but I know of someone who was rank4 and joined one of the most well known american HA guilds. She had a texan accent, an annoying one. She fakes it, you can't tell she's from texas. Every part of her personality she twists to seem that must more attractive to aid her getting a group. In a way I think it should be something that can be discussed without it turning into a flame fest. There is a hell of a lot of people like this, and the males just don't fall for it, it makes me sick to be honest =D. She says she hates drama, but she'll get people to PM you if you annoy her. The reason I bring this up, like it or not the majority of them low rank people that somehow get in my groups are female.

I started to help this person get rank three (there's been a lot like this). I was happy helping them, it was some what fun at times. Was happy just talking about the game, but they felt inferior to me. When that happens, they have to lie, like someone once said to me 'lying is the worst form of flattery'. So they lied and said they're a girl and said they had a crush on me (ROFL). They told me they lied because people are mean to them, and what not.

Now when I wanted help when I first started HA'ing, I told people exactly of my situation, I said if you invite me to your groups I will eventually be better than the people that you have in your team. Which is the thing I offer, to be more useful in the long run. I think my first post on here was even offering to buy fame, but I'd be in the group, and play as normal... It was some what pathetic of me (and ironically I never bought fame thank god:P) but I didn't expect something for nothing. Looking back on it, it's as good as cheating. The texan girl I mentioned, you ask her if she got her fame herself and she'll say 'I got all my fames myself and I'm a good player'. She'll play only ele, and she believes what she says. The thing is, it's not true. You aren't putting up with the hard times everyone else had to put up with.

These people really expect help. Why? Just why? Why should we help? You say we should, I want a valid reason as to why?

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It's a tired statement, but some of us just have more time than others when it comes to gaming.

Even if you played HA for half an hour of day, everyday since the game came out you would be pretty high ranked. So this argument is too wishy washy now.

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However, it does seem like there is too much emphasis on having a certain rank in these missions.

For valid reasons.

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The knee-jerk reaction could be to say something like: 'you just think that way because you don't have one,' or something of the like.

My reaction is that people won't take advice, run the bar I ask, act quickly, change skillbars quickly, hurry along, play well (majority), or get me fame as quick as a high rank player would.

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too. Damn. Much. Hatred. In PVP. Honestly.

Testosterone can bring up the anger.

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I'm not saying we're all salvageable PVP converts, I'm just saying show us a little patience. After all, we are all playing in the same sandbox.

Haven't heard this phrase before but if I understand it correctly, then I disagree with it...

Whatever game I play, and guild wars was much different in the begining (I just wanted relaxing fun) I end up wanting to be some what good at it. It's just in my nature, it doesn't have to be gaming too, could be swimming, whatever... These low rank PVE'rs I have played with, they don't have this goal or ambition, they just want to (majority) use people for fame. Run any build, do anything to get their fame.

It's not the same, and they certainly don't give me free runs in PVE

Sister Rosette · Oct 24, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Even if you played HA for half an hour of day, everyday since the game came out you would be pretty high ranked. So this argument is too wishy washy now.

If you ____ for half an hour of the day, everyday since the game came out you'd have a shit ton of ______. This statement is too wide to even be relevant.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

My reaction is that people won't take advice, run the bar I ask, act quickly, change skillbars quickly, hurry along, play well (majority), or get me fame as quick as a high rank player would.

This just oozes smug. I don't care how good you are in PVP, the only image that comes to mind from this one is a little kid screaming in a toy store. Sorry. It's a 'give me' attitude, and it's not helping the argument that you are a sane, compassionate adult.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Testosterone can bring up the anger.

So I've heard. It apparently has an inverse effect on spelling, grammar, and judgment in general.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Whatever game I play, and guild wars was much different in the begining (I just wanted relaxing fun) I end up wanting to be some what good at it. It's just in my nature, it doesn't have to be gaming too, could be swimming, whatever...

True, but you're never going to get your face ground into the dirt by synchronized swimmers simply because 'they're better.'

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

These low rank PVE'rs I have played with, they don't have this goal or ambition, they just want to (majority) use people for fame. Run any build, do anything to get their fame.

Yeah, I suppose at some point you have to lose your innocence and values in this game to get ahead, be it running a Touch Ranger, only playing a certain class so you'll get the invites, or spamming the CTRL + Click to repeat "I'm attacking ______!" over and over again. Again, no thanks.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

It's not the same, and they certainly don't give me free runs in PVE

Do you ever ask?

elektra_lucia · Oct 24, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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If you ____ for half an hour of the day, everyday since the game came out you'd have a shit ton of ______. This statement is too wide to even be relevant.

It was in reference to your statement about people playing a lot. Due to the game being out a while, it doesn't matter who plays a lot, or who doesn't play a lot. You could of got rank by now if you wanted.

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This just oozes smug. I don't care how good you are in PVP, the only image that comes to mind from this one is a little kid screaming in a toy store. Sorry. It's a 'give me' attitude, and it's not helping the argument that you are a sane, compassionate adult.

If I make a group, I want people to do what I ask, not waste my time. My argument was never about proving I'm a sane compassionate adult. I already stated, I'm not really compassionate. Sure, those I care about (which is very few) I am, but for the others... No.

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So I've heard. It apparently has an inverse effect on spelling, grammar, and judgment in general.

Don't know if you're making a dig at my spelling (I think it's flawless most of the time) but I don't see how it can change spelling. Testosterone makes one competitive - competition can be in all things =D.

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Haven't heard this phrase before but if I understand it correctly, then I disagree with it...

Uhm?

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True, but you're never going to get your face ground into the dirt by synchronized swimmers simply because 'they're better.'

Eh, you're wrong. Go take up some competitive sports and say that. You are extremely wrong. Please don't argue on this (it'd be pointless). Don't get me wrong, it won't be as bad, but you will get arseholes where ever you go. Especially when people are being pushed to their limits.

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Do you ever ask?

Yes.

Kyp Jade · Oct 24, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

@ Sister Rosette, it doesnt EVER matter who you are, its attitude, plain and simple. I've done my fair share of looking for apug to play in my groups, and I HAVE taken low ranks, in fact when i started my push to r9 2 of the players that are now on my core were not even r3 yet. I can tell you that very very quickly I got fed up with pugs not listening to my tactics calls, arguing with my playstyle, insisting that im a retard for leading from a midline posistion, and whatever else you care to think of.

What im trying to say through this random babbling is pretty simple and straight forward. Its to much effort to deal with pugs. (low or high rank), I would rather friends list or not play at all tbh. Yes I do want fame, but not bad enough to pug 7 people for a team.

Sister Rosette · Oct 24, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

It was in reference to your statement about people playing a lot. Due to the game being out a while, it doesn't matter who plays a lot, or who doesn't play a lot. You could of got rank by now if you wanted.

I was a specific example. You were another. There are a myriad of possibilities in between.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

If I make a group, I want people to do what I ask, not waste my time. My argument was never about proving I'm a sane compassionate adult. I already stated, I'm not really compassionate. Sure, those I care about (which is very few) I am, but for the others... No.

Still gettin kid in a toy store here....

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Don't know if you're making a dig at my spelling (I think it's flawless most of the time) but I don't see how it can change spelling. Testosterone makes one competitive - competition can be in all things =D.

No, it wasn't a jab at your spelling. In fact, your posts have been quite easy to read and follow. Kudos. Even if I don't agree with your chauvinistic logic.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Uhm?

Misquote, so sue me.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Eh, you're wrong. Go take up some competitive sports and say that. You are extremely wrong. Please don't argue on this (it'd be pointless). Don't get me wrong, it won't be as bad, but you will get arseholes where ever you go. Especially when people are being pushed to their limits.

Varsity Track, Soccer, Rugby. All three. All 3 years of Middle School, and all 4 years of High School. (Yes, our middle school had a VA squad. Apparently when you have sports to budget, arts are negligible.) I've put in my time. Drop that damn 'I'm right little girl' logic. I'm aware there are arseholes everywhere, I've dealt with more than my fair share in my lifetime. But since you touched on the topic of sports, allow me to inform you of the one flaw in your argument regarding GW and sports: TEAMWORK. I'm not gonna go off on some 5 paragraph tangent about how being a team means working together. Because it would be wasted on your ears. You clearly are set in your way of playing, and because of this everyone else must cohere to your way and your methods. Sure, you win. And I'm sure you win a lot. And I'm sure you don't care what a lowly PVE player thinks of you. So I'll cut it short, because I need to get some sleep and talking with you is just pissing me off.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Yes.

Must be your winning personality then.

PS:

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

@ Sister Rosetta

Why does this always happen? It's an E.

Kyp Jade · Oct 24, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

PS:

Why does this always happen? It's an E.

Fixed, but my point is still valid, I do recognize that someone must have spent a lot time in pve, and wants to rank up. But then again when I started HA (tombs) Way back when, i was the same way, and no one would take me. Everyone follows the same route, there arent many shortcuts

elektra_lucia · Oct 24, 2007, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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I was a specific example. You were another. There are a myriad of possibilities in between.

Anger getting to you? Not making sense now, baby.

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Still gettin kid in a toy store here....

I'm the grown up kid that owns that toy store.

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No, it wasn't a jab at your spelling. In fact, your posts have been quite easy to read and follow. Kudos. Even if I don't agree with your chauvinistic logic.

I'm one of the most unbiased people you will find <3. Chauvinistic is often referred to sexist males - I hope I do not appear that just because I have commented on a select few females.

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Misquote, so sue me.

Now now, no need to get angry when you're losing. I simply did not understand what you meant with that

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Varsity Track, Soccer, Rugby. All three. All 3 years of Middle School, and all 4 years of High School. (Yes, our middle school had a VA squad. Apparently when you have sports to budget, arts are negligible.) I've put in my time. Drop that damn 'I'm right little girl' logic.

Why would I think a little girl plays soccer, rugby etc? I would be more enclined to think you're a guy who thinks females are better, so you have became one <3.

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But since you touched on the topic of sports, allow me to inform you of the one flaw in your argument regarding GW and sports: TEAMWORK.

I think the point of my argument flew over your head, and because you bring your random skillbars - you don't understand team work in guildwars

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Because it would be wasted on your ears.

Oh? Yet I was noted for excellent team play in other games. Go me <3.

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You clearly are set in your way of playing

not at all, but when I make a group, I want people to listen. So we don't waste time <3.

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and because of this everyone else must cohere to your way and your methods.

No <3. Assume makes an ass of you and me

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Sure, you win. And I'm sure you win a lot.

Team wins honey, don't forget team work.

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And I'm sure you don't care what a lowly PVE player thinks of you.

I care what I think of me. I'm intelligent, and good looking. I'm lucky. Now I'm after perfection <3.

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So I'll cut it short, because I need to get some sleep and talking with you is just pissing me off.

Aww <3.

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Must be your winning personality then.

Must be.

moko · Oct 24, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57

keep the personal bitchfights down.

also, for the love of god, stop with the quotewars.

edit: done, elektra.

vergerefosh · Oct 25, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

OK, I'll admit I got bored reading through the whole long thread so I skipped a few pages. One problem now is that as people have had time to go high rank, and so now look down, whilst when the game first game out, was new to everyone.
Another problem is that those people who are new, may not have played that much PvP, or even if they have, not to the extent that they have UAX, or almost so, which is what it appears is necessary in so many cases these days.
3rd problem is that non/low rank people tend to have to go in randomway, or semi-balanced randomway, and that can go horribly. OK, may just be me only not understanding, but in the last double fame (ok, only time I tend to HA) several times I'd go in a group with ranger who'd bring Tranquility, when I was on an ele, necessitating fire attunement. Tranquility = crap fire attunement, but as I wasn't leader, and was randomway, given no say.

That's me done, pick holes and shoot me down in flames if you wish

elektra_lucia · Oct 25, 2007, 01:21 AM // 01:21

You just justified the point for not taking low rank people, why would someone flame you for that o.0. I had that thing happen too in a randomway. Lol.

Deano Mac · Oct 25, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

didnt read the whole thread but got a basic outline of wat ur sayin
i had a m8 of a m8 join my r9+ group and found out a few days later he was unranked i knew he was a little rusty but he listened and followed my calls n tactics so i gradually helped him get to r3>r4 so on and 1 of the days i won halls n he was wiv me so he gets a crystaline drop n gives it to me n says thanks for helping me out so much...so not every low ranked person is bad..i
mean ull gradually get the common retards who dont listen run off n just play plain noobish..but there is some decent low ranked ppl out there

p.s i cudnt be arsed to grammar it lol so soz

Lord Mendes · Oct 26, 2007, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Deano Mac

didnt read the whole thread but got a basic outline of wat ur sayin
i had a m8 of a m8 join my r9+ group and found out a few days later he was unranked i knew he was a little rusty but he listened and followed my calls n tactics so i gradually helped him get to r3>r4 so on and 1 of the days i won halls n he was wiv me so he gets a crystaline drop n gives it to me n says thanks for helping me out so much...so not every low ranked person is bad..i
mean ull gradually get the common retards who dont listen run off n just play plain noobish..but there is some decent low ranked ppl out there

p.s i cudnt be arsed to grammar it lol so soz

lrn2"grammar it"plxcuzutipelikeidiot LOL

To everyone else: Hello! Long time no see!
Elektra Lucia and Moko, pm me some time. Haven't spoken to you guys in a while.

So this post isn't completely off topic:
The way I look at it, so-called "elitism" is justified in most cases. I remember being an idiot and running around tombs as soon as I started PvPing 20 odd months ago. I was so bad (and still am for the most part) that I can remember countless games where my team lost because of my poor play. I messed up and got yelled at a lot, and that made me want to improve (and I did). I can honestly say that there are some things that are unique to HA PvP that you can only learn in HA, and that you eventually get better at these mechanics and play styles by experience.
This doesn't really apply to people that have been GvGing at a decent level since most of them have some experience in HA, and those that don't are much faster learners than people new to PvP.
But people that are stepping into PvP for the first time should not expect to be part of a higher ranked group, because they more than likely suck, and no one is willing to take a chance that will probably end up costing them a couple of runs.
The problem is not with elitism, but with other "unnatural" barriers of entry. Elitism is and should be present in any sort of competitive environment because everyone likes winning. It's normal and natural, and required if you want the game to be on a competitive level.
The problem is with other barriers of entry, such as lack of motivation and lack of rewards for newer players. Why would you HA if you could just as easily farm some greens and pimp your characters? You would you HA if you know that you are going to get very little fame or loot?

Elitism will always be present, deal with it. It's unavoidable.
People should realize that no matter how much natural ability you might have, experience is usually a pretty decisive factor when going into HA.
Instead of ratting on "elitists", try asking Anet for some better party formation systems or unranked districts, or something that will help newer players get some tombs playtime.
M'Kay?

PS: I miss guru.

TaCktiX · Oct 26, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Heroes' Ascent is a serious talking point with me. I consider myself in the "not high rank, but more than willing to learn/work/sell soul to get better" camp. I currently have a paltry 453 fame R4. But I've done some things differently that have helped me tremendously. The following will be a massive post, so skip to the bottom if you don't want to read it.

I got Guild Wars in mid-2006. Rather late to the game, considering a lot of the HA folks out there. I had a few people take me under their wing and show me the ropes, gave me some good builds to work up with, and generally got me through Prophecies. I am still proud of my Protector of Tyria on my Necromancer, even as she's on the verge of IVI (only grind-based is Legendary Spearmarshal). My first forays into PvP were downright embarassing. My unlocks were low, my experience even lower, and I was rolling into GvG's with people who weren't inclined to care about that fact. They scared me away from PvP because of how crappily bad I did. Over time, I became very good at 1v1 using a modification of a Necro Tank build I was given by the guy who convinced me to buy GW in the first place. Then again, it took me nearly 6 months to get 5 consecutive in RA.

I finally got back in PvP when I started doing Alliance Battles (I have a very respectable non-FFed R4 Luxon, nearly R5). Using a very versatile "Blood Spike" build I crafted, I finally got my 5 consecutive to unlock RA. That was another "big huge accomplishment" that most people may laugh at, but I'm proud of. I had HA unlocked in a couple of days. But unlike most, I stayed away. I did not feel myself to have the experience or knowledge to tackle the "elite" that is HA. Don't think otherwise, HA is for an elite. There are the people who are the elite, and then the people challenging the elite to become elite.

So I ground through getting Gladiator while creating a PvE character for every single profession in the game (14 Character slots and proud of it). 8 of those characters are now Level 20, 7 of them have gotten Protector on one or more campaigns (14 total). I finally got those 25 Gladiator Points, and loaded a monk into HA the same day. Monk is the easiest and hardest PvP profession. Easy in that your job is to keep people alive, not call targets, interrupt key spells, etc. Hard in that everyone is hellbent to make sure you can't do your job. So I was ready and willing to learn, and everyone needs a monk to roll a good group. I knew enough about the monk setup to know that RC and LoD were the two standard bars. It took me a bit to acquire templates for it (gah, the first one I was given had Jamei's Gaze on it), but I took the bar and figured out how to run it. Imperfectly, for certain, but again I was willing to learn.

Over time, I squeaked out 21 fame. Yes, not even R1. Then I saw an ad looking for a monk that could run Life Barrier for a SoMW spike. Most R0 monks don't have this skill, but my Necro had Legendary Skill Hunter by now. So I rolled in. Turned out to be an R5+ group. They needed me to get a couple of skills I didn't have yet (Mesmer was as of yet not unlocked), so I went and got them. They understood my lack of rank, but were willing to try me out and see if I was worth anything.

I ended up rolling with that same group of people over the next couple of months all the way to R3 (they didn't do SoMW for a lot of that, most of it was rit spike). I worked for the spot I held, and in general I was considered an unofficial member of their guild.

Then a double fame weekend happened. They nerfed Heroway in the same weekend (kudos ANet, now do it with Spiritway), and people on my friends list wanted me to roll into their rit spike group. Turns out they wanted me to organize the entire thing.

So I picked up a few R3-something's, gave builds out, and then rolled us in. I had had a little of calling practice before then, but the important thing was I had paid attention to the caller of the guild group I had rolled with dozens of tmes before. I copied his style, and the group was willing to do the things key to making rit spike work: heal while you're not spiking, spike on time or not at all. We disbanded nearly 2 hours later about 40 fame richer.

Call me just another one of those hopeless noobs, but today I consider my rank completely inaccurate. But unlike others, I do not quote "R10" as my skill level, because that's just naive boastery. The only profession I consider myself "R10" in is Ranger, and that's because it's the only profession I roll in RA (nearly R2 Glad there). Practice makes perfect. Monking is my rank on a bad day, R6 on a good day. Melee/damage classes between 7 and 8, casters R5-R6. I have used this estimation as a guideline. I am now on the "invite list" of an R6 and R8 guild teams that roll nightly. When I first rolled in, I did not bring attention to my rank (I go title-less in HA), just let my actions speak for themselves. I was not only kept on the team for the following runs, but added to the leader's friends list and invited back the next day. And yes, after the first run I let them know my real rank. They didn't mind.

End of History Lesson

The key point that I want to lay down for people who want to get good at HA and not just amass fame: I WORKED for it. I STILL have zero fame to my name from the FotM fame-farm builds like Heroway and Spiritway. Every single one of my 453 fame was gained with a decent amount of work to make it happen.

I did not let my rank stop me, but at the same time I didn't say "I'm like uber l337 mad skillz, yo, you're a hater if you don't keep me in the group." I rolled the builds I was asked, asked questions about skill usage (ALWAYS do that if you're not sure, no one will insult/kick you for it), and was always in learning mode.

If anything, when you roll into HA, be in learning mode. Even Leeloof isn't perfect, though that person's pretty dang close. We all have room for improvement. The difference, in truth, between a good high-ranked person and a typical low-ranked person is that they want to learn how to be better, how to not make that mistake again, how to take it to the next level. Mistakes happen, nobody will kick you for that one infuse you were half a second slow for, or that one spike your Fireball hit a little early.

They will kick you for having an "Aura of Infallibility." You may be Savior of the Kurzicks, but you certainly aren't a perfect Messiah. People are more likely to keep you around if you admit your mistakes and vow to do better. A lot of high-ranked people are not elitist, they just want to have people willing to listen and learn. People who CAN generate those runs that hit halls, who CAN have the drive to turn the entire match around, who NEVER let anything stop them from getting better.

Lord Mendes · Oct 26, 2007, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Even Leeloof isn't perfect, though that person's pretty dang close.

Lol.
I don't think I can read your post with a straight face after that comment.

axe · Oct 26, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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I ended up rolling with that same group of people over the next couple of months all the way to R3 (they didn't do SoMW for a lot of that, most of it was rit spike). I worked for the spot I held, and in general I was considered an unofficial member of their guild.

The key point that I want to lay down for people who want to get good at HA and not just amass fame: I WORKED for it. I STILL have zero fame to my name from the FotM fame-farm builds like Heroway and Spiritway. Every single one of my 453 fame was gained with a decent amount of work to make it happen.

Its a good story overall but I just had to LOL at this portion of it.

If you dont consider rit spike to be a FotM fame farm build AND you are using it to say that your R4 or whatever is really that of a R10 in terms of skill, well thats just sad.

I have no problem with FotM builds as they promote casual play and they reduce the barriers of entry in the game.

TaCktiX · Oct 26, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

People can say rit spike was "Flavor of the Month," but it took some work to do it right. Imbalanced, yes, by all counts. But mindless like heroway and spiritway are? And by mindless, I mean the lack of a need for callers, tactics, etc. Rit spike was not a fame-farm build, because I've run horridly bad rit spikes that gained zero fame completely. It may have been easier to run than your standard balanced, but that's if you did it right.